El Scorchio
1:16 Tue Jan 31
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If he shares an agent with Howe, then he's probably been tapped up for this move for a while. That and Howe will likely have had smoke blown up his arse about how much of a talent Ashby is, and he is desperate to join Newcastle.
The agent will have done pretty well out of this, fancy that. Whether Ashby actually makes it in the top division, we'll just have to see.
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Lee Trundle
1:21 Tue Jan 31
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I'd be surprised if if was the contract West Ham was offering that put Ashby off.
It'll probably be down to the managers and who he felt he'd have a better chance with.
It's not like this is out of the ordinally with RED BULL Moyes in charge, now, is it? We're haemorrhaging potential talent at an alarming rate and replacing them with old men on their last hurrah on expensive contracts instead.
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swindon hammer
1:27 Tue Jan 31
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Newcastle are still being relatively modest in their spending and they aren’t going to spend big money on a back up Right Back so this type of deal probably suits them right now.
Ashby might turn out to be a really good player but he also might be one of those players that ends up in the Championship within the next 18 months.
Hardly any of us have seen him play enough to really form a judgement of whether this one will bite us on the arse or not so it’s pointless complaining about it yet.
As for the comment below that “Sullivan should have paid Ashby what he wanted” we don’t know what he did want.
Maybe him and his agent were being unreasonable and asking for more money than a player at his development stage was worth?
Maybe the fact that his agent is also Eddie Howe’s agent means they have been tapping him up for a while and whatever the club did it wasn’t going to persuade him to sign a new contract at West Ham.
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Westham67
2:26 Tue Jan 31
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I dont blame the players moving for better money their careers are short and one injury can end it all, Sullivan runs the club as he has no idea what he is doing
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isca hammer
2:29 Tue Jan 31
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swindon hammer 1:27 Tue Jan 31
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onsideman
2:44 Tue Jan 31
Re: Harrison Ashby gone to Newcastle.
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Yeah, he may turn out to be shit or great. We'll find out soon enough... I just would've preferred that we'd had a proper chance to formulate an opinion and for it not to be so much of a lottery.
If he's there because he's been scouted by Dan Ashworth rather than because he and Eddie Howe share an agent then I'd say the odds on him being a miss are marginally - if not significantly - increased
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Mr Kenzo
2:46 Tue Jan 31
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Ngakia Mark II
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norwaytips
3:01 Tue Jan 31
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Definitely the player’s decision. You can’t make a player sign a new contract and he made it clear that he wouldn’t.
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Mex Martillo
5:08 Tue Jan 31
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I don't remember this happening before Moyes and now it seems to becoming frequent. I feel the perception is not much chance to make it in current set up and best leave.
I find it really sad as it has always been always been a big part of West Ham to bring good players through.
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dealcanvey
5:27 Tue Jan 31
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Who in Ashby's shoes would have signed a new deal?
Regardless of money on offer he is 21 showing good potential. The manager not giving him much of a chance. Has to watch the likes of Coufal underperform most weeks yet still dont get a look in.
A club on the up have come in for him offered him atleast same money if not more. Howe has openly said he will also give him first team opportunities.
No brainer for him.
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On The Ball
5:38 Tue Jan 31
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Mex Martillo 5:08 Tue Jan 31
This has always happened.
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Lee Trundle
5:40 Tue Jan 31
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When was the last time our YOOFS finished 2nd to Man City, and then the following season they all wanted to leave because the manager was giving them ZERO chances?
I'm struggling to remember the last time that happened, if it always has.
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North Bank
5:50 Tue Jan 31
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In the old traditional WHO way, can someone pour me A Pint of Bothered
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On The Ball
5:55 Tue Jan 31
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Youth players have left, in numbers, since the day dot - because generally they're not good enough.
Ashby could be a little different, sure, but one swallow and all that. I'd get why they can't see a pathway under Moyes, but equally how many are actually good enough? Impossible to say.
The proof is in the pudding and the number of mistakes the Club have made over the years.
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Lee Trundle
6:07 Tue Jan 31
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"I'd get why they can't see a pathway under Moyes"
And that's the point I'm just trying to make here.
I'm not suggesting we've definitely lost out here, just that we could lose out if we do have an unearthed gem somewhere on the conveyor belt.
I don't want to go off like Alex V, but there's little point in us having a youth team at all if this is how it's going to be going forward.
Surely there's some talent there, if they only finished second to City's youth team of superstars.
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Pentonville
6:14 Tue Jan 31
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Ashby would look up to the likes or Rice who has made it clear you need to leave to progress your career. One of the perks of having a Captain who wants to leave his own club. Brilliant. But yeah don't you dare put the unrest at the door of Rice, put it all at Moyes. A Captain who laughs and jokes his way to Arsenal or Chelsea and setting an example to our younger players that west Ham is not where its at. Great
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Mr Kenzo
6:18 Tue Jan 31
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So Rice had something to do with Ashby leaving hahaha, one of the best ones yet
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Moncurs Putting Iron
6:44 Tue Jan 31
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Lee Trundle 6:07 Tue Jan 31
I do wonder about the communication with these players and whether the two way deal opportunity that you get with a young player already at your club is being maximised.*
"You improve this aspect of your game in training and your game will get on the bench/starts in these games, if not by this time lets help you find another option and continue your career"
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
6:48 Tue Jan 31
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Times have changed. In the eighties, if you were one of the best young full-backs in east London, you'd probably have a good crack at establishing yourself in West Ham first eleven. Now, with PL money and a global village, you have to be one of the best in the world.
It's NOT the job of the Academy to make careers for the youth team players at the expense of giving them a place in the team they don't yet merit. It's not the job of the club to 'give the kids a crack'.Youth team players have to be so good, in terms of ability and attitude that they DEMAND a place in the team. Clearly Ashby hasn't passed that threshold.
The role of the Academy is to wipe its own arse financially by selling players for a million here and a couple of million there, until occasionally, once or twice a decade maybe, it unearths a Rice. Players you buy in from overseas or nick from other clubs at 17 don't really count. Plus, you need a couple of home grown players on the fringes of the squad to fulfil various quotas. I'm pretty sure West Ham's academy is run no differently to any other.
Moyes may or may not be particularly averse to risking young prospects, but I look around the PL and see precious few clubs whose first team is bursting with young home-produced English talent, so it's not just him.
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Moncurs Putting Iron
6:54 Tue Jan 31
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And with this:
"The role of the Academy is to wipe its own arse financially by selling players for a million here and a couple of million there, until occasionally, once or twice a decade maybe, it unearths a Rice."
Surface nails it.
And before we get to feeling sorry for our poor exploited youth squad lets not forget that both Perkins and Ashby have people 'lookng after their interests' just like the big boys.
My fanciful, old school look after your own and they will look after you way of looking at it probably cannot even exist let alone work.
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Crassus
7:06 Tue Jan 31
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Moncs
I agree with your logic and Surf's pragmatism
But
It is in the public domain that Moyes is standoffish, stubborn and does not give praise
Additionally, we now have a policy around wages for the yoots, courtesy of the young CB farrago whose name escapes me
That combination bothers me, and the evidence before is not encouraging - look at those patently unhappy and whose agents are hustling, then Ashby flatly refusing to discuss a deal, Johnson too
There is a definite pattern emerging here
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